THE
GENDER
WAR
[2014]
'Dispatches' from the fighting front.....
Introduction:
These are a series of postings, mainly by myself but also some other prominant MRAs on the 'blogosphere' (i.e YouTube etc) from early 2013 to April 2014. Some are stand alone comments that themselves add to the tome of 'scholarship' surrounding men's rights and the conflict issues between Genders. Some are a series of brutal 'gloves off' exchanges between MRAs and Feminists. These can be quite bitter and abusive. NOTHING has been censored or made up. These exchanges occurred.
YouTube was good for this in the 'early days' because the two sides would often post and engage each other whereas many prominent Mens Rights and Feminist blogs of the time usually 'blocked' each other. But not 'early' YouTube. These days many of the major players have moved on and no longer (or rarely) post on YouTube. But some of the best, and most relevant, exchanges have been preserved here. I've also included some pure feminist trolling...just for fun. See the way abusive and propaganda are interwoven. Lots of myths, outright lies and slander here which are quickly identified and ruthlessly obliterated by myself and the other MRAs. To be fair some of the "rad-fems" have some strong controversial views and they're entitled to their side of the story...but they probably got a shock; especially if they were expecting some polite, accommodating and politically correct 'gentlemen' MRAs. Sorry, but there's no softly, softly grandfatherly types here.
Where there are exchanges The Gender War identifies the players. None of the MRAs use propaganda or semantic tricks. There is also no manipulation of statistics or outright lies by MRAs to confuse or exploit emotions that I have selected here for your entertainment.
Finally, if you are offended by strong and 'indecent' language. Please do not read on....
FEMINIST:
"You male bastards. Instead BEING A REAL MAN you're behaving like selfish cry-babies. Do you know that your mother almost died having you. Do you know how many bled out and died throughout history? You bastards. But no instead of being a man, and providing for yoursef and your family you want to attack women. If you are an MRA it means you're a loser. You're all turds. And fucktards. I hope you live in America and someone shoots you"
That was a copy of one of the most vicious exchanges I experienced in 2013. Thought we'd get it up front and out-of-the way early! Now for the rest...
Yours truly:
"...The greatest sense of satisfaction for any human in the Universe is Motherhood. But it's a 'gift' for the females only. While a man can spend his life 'goal seeking', most females can access their 'big answer' almost immediately. And they can get started on this as young as 15, post puberty. It's as easy as lying on your back, spreading your legs and taking a sperm batch from a strong 'sucker' male...someone whose lusting over your body like a drug addict, who desperately needs a fix, and can't think straight. For a female its that easy to get their 'life' going. It's a much better option than trying to conquer the world as a 'hero', a 'world champion'-- proving to others, and yourself, that you're an 'alpha'. (the dream of many boys and men). Yet cruelly, even when you get the medal there's no lasting 'satisfaction'. The male is a lifelong satisfaction exile; wandering the Earth 'tormented. His life is really only a series of short term (expensive) thrills and comfort zones in between hard boring work.
Feminists will try and fool the male population that Motherhood is like joining the Military. A form of National Service. That they don't REALLY want to do it but...they have to. That its a sacrifice that should be compensated again and again.That its UNPAID work etc...Don't be fooled. The satisfaction and purpose experienced in being THE mother; the Earthly creator is better than a million dollars. Better than the strongest narcotics. Most women, if they were forced by a tyrannical Government system, would spend their entire lives working for the "right" to have just ONE baby. Why? Because these women in their hearts believe that if they can't have a child then they might as well be dead. That there was no reason for their own life.
If anything females should feel guilty that God privileged them with Motherhood, the greatest of all Earthly "satisfactions" and that the males were given nothing to match it; despite the amount of 'Pride' that gets manufactured for males with their silly 'competitions'.
The Exchanges:
1. MRA (responding to a feminist poster who said: IF YOU'RE AGAINST FEMINISM YOU ARE AGAINST EQUALITY.
.."What an idiot! This is classic Denying the Antecedent fallacy. And its a false statement."
.."You really are a fucking moron if you believe that crap. Many kind and loving people oppose feminism..."
2. FEMINIST: ..."How exactly would it be immoral for a Government to suppress people who abuse/exploit others..."
MRA:..."I never said it was immoral for a Government to suppress people who abuse/exploit others. I said it is immoral for them to enforce equal outcomes. You're easily confused. Enforcing equal outcomes means the Government institutes quotas and other Social Engineering schemes which interfere with people's freedom to choose. And it does so on the false assumption that a skew in male/female ratios is proof of discrimination. This is an illogical assumption and demonstrably false in most cases..."
3. FEMINIST:...." Things were a certain way for a while and it seemed to work. Now that we don't need sexually defined roles anymore, its time to do away with them. To make life more free for everyone. Thats it.
MRA:..."Dude, you're really brainwahsed with the Social Constructivist bullshit aren't you?..."
4.ANNONYMOUS POSTER: ...."Fuck the Mens Rights Movement, but also fuck feminism. Both movements, much like both genders are essentially equal.."
MRA:..."Fuck the jackasses who don't know what they're talking about...."
5. FEMINIST:...." I as an individual choose to do something about gender roles. You have no right to interfere with my choice..."
MRA:.."Bullshit. You are interferring with the rights of others. So I have every right to stop you. I believe people like you are causing great harm to Society with your nonsensical ideology. If people choose to follow traditional gender roles then that is their choice. If you try and put laws or policies in place that interfere with that then you are nothing more than a petty tyrant..."
6. FEMINIST:..."From a feminist point of view all the things the MRM (Mens Rights Movement) seems to be concerned with are a direct result of Patriarchy. Why have men gone to war instead of women? Because men said women were too weak to go to war. Why do women get child custody over men most of the time? Because men said women were better suited to take care of children. Don't you see how female stereotypes that men created cause these problems??
MRA:.."That's false on all accounts. Every issue that men face in the judicial system is a direct result of feminism. There is no Patriarchy. Its a boogeyman invented by the feminists.
7. FEMINIST:...."So are you suggesting that anything short of raping or murdering a woman is not misogyny? You should talk to some of the other MRA guys. Apparantly one of the favorite MRA issues is that non-consensual sex should not be illegal. So I guess we can check rape off the list. Now, only murder is misogyny--and nothing else--until we figure out how to ratioinalise that away..."
MRA:...."You're a liar! Why don't you show us some proof? Give us a quote, bitch. Hint: you can't. Feminists are the world's most notorious liars and love to slander their enemies with false accusations.
8. FEMINIST:..."You're sexist."
MRA:...."You are really stupid if you think hatred of feminism equals sexism. I have read some feminist works and it all sucked. Its all whimsical nonsense. You should drop out of your Women's Studies class and renounce feminism if you want a truthful view of society rather than brainwashing.
9. FEMINIST:..."A modern Patriarchy is not a Society where men rule by default but by CULTURALLY AND SOCIALLY influenced tendencies.
MRA:..."Now it seems you're moving the goal posts to protect the feminist victim narrative. There is no evidence to support what you're claiming, and you're only making that claim for convenience...."
10. FEMINIST:..."We don't live in a Patriarchy, but de-facto we do..."
MRA:..."Only from the perspective of feminism, which is rigid dogmatic ideology. Only feminists believe in a de-facto Patriarchy...."
11. FEMINIST:..."My definition of a Patriarchy: a system where men are expected to (and in most cases do) take up their role of the leader of a family where the father is head of the family. And no. I do not think women are little flowers, thats a view typical of Patriarchy..."
MRA:..."How is a man in control of the family when he knows that his wife can divorce him at anytime and get at least 50pc of his assets plus child support for children she will get about 87pc of the time?..."
FEMINIST:..."Since he can divorce her too and get at least 50pc of her assets, and, if he actually looks after the children and files for it, get child custody, those factors are hardly relevant for how he can be in control of the family. And if you're interested how he really is able to dominate a family, I commend you to read some literature on that topic. I can recommend Bourdieu's mascular domination, very fine book, very thorough ethnographic research.
MRA:..."The logic of the feminists Patriarchy model goes something like this: 1. The Leaders of a Culture or Group have power. They make up the rules which ultimately serve themselves and this is a Privilege. 2. Most of the Privileged rule determining leaders have been Male. 3. Conclusion: Most Males therefore have privilege over females. This is Patriarchy.
...."This is basic dumb-as-dogshit logic. The two premises are true but the conclusion is obviously false. The REAL conclusion is that SOME females have also been "leaders" therefore SOME females have had privilege over MOST MALES (and most females).
EXCHANGES WITH A MARXIST FEMINIST:
1. MARXIST FEMINIST: ...." I happen to think Government force is most ethical WHEN it enforces equal material/opportunity outcomes (there is no meanigful difference between the two..)
MRA:.."That's because you're a fucking idiot who is incapable of making distinctions."
2. MARXIST FEMINIST:..."Males have reaped the vast majority of the spoils of "greed, possession, entitlements, ego and POWER"...so yes it does indeed seem to be their domain. As for Shakespeare's evil female characters...himself being a man, don't you see how convenient his portrayals are? But anyways, feminist scholoars have critiqued all sorts of interesting tropes in his work. And NO..the privileges of patriarchy was not distributed equally; socio-economic class predominates.
MRA:..."Tropes"? You're mixing things up with Noah's Ark
...."Feminist scholars??"..An oxymoron if ever there was one.
....""Pussy" is one of the main drivers of greedy Capitalism. More so than "Patriarchy." Why don't the lefties factor that variable into some of their oppression modelling? Ha. Okay I'm getting ahead of myself here. Marx clearly had his economic theories. And he pointed out the BAD GUYS etc. But he never suggested that it was a Conspiracy of Gender, of the Males...i.e a "Patriarchy". "Owners" and "Landlords" were the villains...and Christianity..."
3. MARXIST FEMINIST:..."Do you have any familiarity with base-superstructure relationships?.."
MRA:..."Sure we spend a lot of time discussing/arguing about Superstructure without properly understanding the Base...it is here that a lot of Power is HIDDEN IN THE DESIGN.
4. MRA:..."So who or what exactly are you blaming for exploitation? Can you break it down any further from your cheap sloganneering use of "Patriarchy."
MARXIST FEMINIST:...."This is an unwarranted request for specificity. Denied."...
MRA:..."Hey, you're right! I've been an utter fool. Naturally I'm assuming you're an IDEALISTIC Marxist. However in reality Communism and Fascism are the same! Bloody hell. Musta had an undergraduate fugue episode. So its not so far fetched for both fascist bastards to colmbine, the femmos and the commos (i.e feminist doctrine being fascist etc). Sorry. Okay, giving you the benefit of the doubt, I'm assuming you're a daydreaming Marxist. True? If so I have some good advice....."
5. MRA..."I'm a biased MRA. And I'm a biased Son. You see in my eyes my mother can do no wrong. I wouldn't care if she killed someone. Or whether she was an extorting prostitute. Now am I supposed to haul EVERY woman up on a pedestal, because they're women? And because my mother's a woman? Daughters don't put other males on pedestals...in fact most don't even put their OWN FATHERS up there!!! Any ideas???
MARXIST FEMINIST...."Yes...you are expected to treat your fellow citizens equally, that is not a pedestal but a basic expectation of a modern pluralistic democracy.
MRA..."Democracy??...how does that work with a Marxist utopia? Democratic Communism??
MARXIST FEMINIST:.."Communism IS democraic at its core..socio-economic as well as political (Marx wasn't a Utopian, btw)
MRA..."Y'know I've always thought that Marxism was an enforced "pious" Christian system, minus Sin, Judgement, Salvation etc. Marx has plagiarised the Roman Catholic Church! The "Bourgeoise" he labelled, that u call "Patriarchy" is recognised as the "Caeser" system by smart Christians (deists). We don't wanna change Caeser, or "enforce" sharing, fr good reasons. You personally can achieve yr "ecstasy" with us. We have yr "Marxist" systems in place..but u gotta b'come a Christian monk.
6.MARXIST FEMINIST..."So where are you getting this "Pussy has a value. Its Property" thing from? That's certainly a basic capitalist and patriarchial (de)construction of women's bodies: unfortunately for such misogynist notions, vagina's are the sex organs of women, not separate animals. But hey...give this train-wreck of an idea a whirl if you want.
MRA.."Hi. Look, you're a Marxist feminist. True? I just wanted to show you that Gender differences "drive/stimulate" economic outcomes as well. Sure Capitalistic thugs have got fences around resources and own "means of production" And the People are forced via State "violence" to pay "rents" for access to food/shelter. But (sorry): "Man does not live by Bread alone". There are other needs. Others drivers. Other POWERS. So I'm saying Marx never gave "sex" a value. It has value. Its Property. Like a block of flats. THis is a whole NEW area of economic enquiry. Seriously. Its the economic "Dark Side of the Moon'...something substantial that Marx comletely missed.
MARXIST FEMINIST..."Not really...Marxist and feminist theorists have regarded such questions for decades; review this body of work before patting yourself on the back.
MRA:.."Ha ha. It should be a sinking feeling when you've just got to lie for your idols. BUT hey...if you're in love..you won't feel a thing.!
MARXIST FEMINIST..."A woman's body parts are--inseparable-from the woman; she may sell her LABOUR using them (as you or I might use our brains, hands, etc) but they are not property per se. You're wanting a right to something that CANNOT by definition be yours in and of itself.
MRA...Property is land. And people HAVE to access food and shelter, which is bounded by the Land. So there is a potential force mechanism in play. "Own" ALL the land and you can enforce "labour" out of people. Or kill them. Sex for hetero males is a Drug. Its not merely a "product" choice. It generates a force. Not as defining as food or shelter but still a force. Sure there are "free" options (abstinece, masterbation). But they are very, very uncomfortable (i.e life without "living"). And women "OWN' all the 'drug supply' for the 'sex-addicted' male.
Non Marxist Exchanges cont'd:
12. FEMINIST:...'The MRA is defined (accurately) as a hate movement by the Southern Poverty Law Centre (SPLC). Its like comparing NAACP and the KKK.
MRA:..."The Southern Poverty Law Centre (SPLC) listed 1007 "hate" groups in 2012. They included the Jewish Defence League AND Nation of Islam. Better be careful they don't "hate" free speech.
...."Still not one MRA or Feminist group or individual is listed. You are another typical feminist liar...
13. FEMINIST:..."I can only judge people and their actions. The movement (MRM) should certainly kick out and/or disavow all misogynists and racists..."
MRA:..."WTF? There are no racists in the MRM you fucking liar! You are making false accusatioins in an attempt to slander a human rights movement. What a lying douche bag..."
14. FEMINIST:..."Feminists do not deny men's issues or censor them. Its all covered under feminist philosophy. The MRM's cynical parody where they have taken a straw man version of feminism and ask "what about us?" without fully understanding what feminism is about..."
MRA:...The MRAs started to understand what "feminism" was all about when they witnessed the "fruit on the trees". They witnessed their own personal rights eroded. They saw their own position with the Family eliminated to "name" only. They witnessed schools turning their own children into "informers" against their own parents. Some men learned about it when their entire lives, and most of their assets, were snatched away on a "whim" (the wife's decision) in a Divorce after years of 'loyal service.' And then being denied access or even knowledge of the whereabouts of their own children. They witnessed a whole cache of penalties and "crimes" and new definitions invented to deliberately ensnare them. An old fashioned "one night stand" could easily be converted into "rape" if he wasn't super precautious. And the accusser would never be named and would never have to pay. Even if he's found Not Guilty. The taxpayer footed her bill. The male, of course would have to defend himself out of his own pocket. They witnessed their "rights" destroyed in Legal matters such as "Rape Shield Laws, Battered "Persons" Syndome laws and VAWA. They watched as they were legally "presumed guilty" in matters of sexual harrassment if any accuser pointed the finger. They witnessed where Prostitution was illegal" for them, the buyers (i.e males) but not the sellers (i.e the female Prosituties).They witnessed females given privilege in employment positions to enforce gender outcomes...so much more....Thats why the MRA is here.
15. FEMINIST:..." Men and women were both cast into roles society deemed to be appropriate. He was trapped by his role as provider and she by hers as care giver to the children that inevitably came along and the domestic tasks which were surmountable. Neither had true freedom, but he at least was thought to have the intelligence to handle his own finances, to assume a loan or mortgage. A woman could own no property, secure no dealings with a bank nor sign a contract without a man's witness and approval. (Editor's note: This is not entirely true. See Chapter 6, Hetero Manifesto)
...."She was considered of a fragile state of mind and too wholly unworldly to deal with affairs of finance and business. It showed a level of disrespect that continued into the political world where no woman had the right to voice an opinion, never mind a vote. What feminism did was question these roles. Why did men have to be exclusively providers? Why did women have to be content to remain in the home? They were good questions and the benefit of turning defined roles on their heads was easy to see. Social norms were created to bring order that had become antiquated amd had lived out its purpose. Feminism brought change that very clearly pushed to remove gender roles and which helped both men and women.
MRA::..."Feminism started out with a good idea: equal rights and choices for women. But then the following path described by Eric Hoffer in The True Believer, it turned into a Hate Movement. As Hoffer wrote: "Mass movements can rise and spread without a belief in God, but never without a belief in a devil." Feminists turned men into their devil, and claimed all women as their victims."
16. FEMINIST:...."Men do not have to take the role of provider. No-one points a gun at their head and says they must do anything. In the event they do marry, they now marry women who are as likely to earn a living as they do and help with bringing in an income. That is a gain for both partners. When children are involved, women are still the ones doing the majority of care giving and domestic chores..."
MRA:..."So let me get this straight> You could also argue that because men apparantly choose to die in wars, its not a problem? Social Conditioning. Do you know what that means? IT means that men are taught and conditioned by Society that they are, in fact, expendable. They are the Hero that goes off to save the day. They are the Hero willing to die for his country..blah, blah.
MRA..."Women who can achieve technically advanced jobs like astronauts and consultant surgeons don't mention feminism at all funnily enough. Because they own their own achievements, Those that can, do. Those that can't bark on about how they're oppressed. Maybe the amount of women who are finally willing to go after technically and mentally challenging jobs are fewer. Feminists will say is the Patriarchial environment, but that belittles the free will of women..."
17.FEMINIST...."Most anti-MRM guys point out that Men's Rights was created after feminism became popular and men said 'Female Rights?' What about Men's Rights?"
MRA....."What a puerile effort. And I'm sure all those "anti-MRM" guys are a great source of valid information. Well I can tell you that there lots of different reasons why males get "activated". Asimple story like this one can turn someone. A wife bides her time, then shoots her sleeping husband in the head, in cold blood--and she got off free. How? Well SHE was the victim, silly.
18. MRA..."I find (a well known female MRA) makes a well reserched and well thought out video."
FEMINIST 1...." If you need to pay a whore to sell your hate then by all means. She makes stupid videos that have already been debunked by many. Don't you think you should be donating to this woman who is so antifeminist that she sits at home all day making nutcase videos so you'll give her money? She work so hard for that! But then again you silly fucks like to see her in the kitchen. Thats where she does here vds.
FEMINIST 2...."Its like a form of prostitutioin. Tell little prick, sexually frustrated guys what they want to hear, make them feel good, then watch the cash flow in. I'm thinking of creating a 2nd account (YouTube) and cashing in likewise. Beats whoring the streets. (Okay. Only joking!). The MRA has feminists to thank for easy money. Should feminism disappear these losers are going to have to get real jobs..."
19. MRA...OK Lets take a "rape" with four components. 1. Penis in vagina. 2. Punches to the head. 3.Knife in the guts. 4. Thrown from a moving vehicle. The above is a shocking crime. However when the actual violence is "de-constructed" it is obvious that it wasn't the "Penis in the vagina" part that did the Grievious Bodily Harm. If you eliminated Parts 2, 3 and 4 from the attack then the "assault" should be re-defined. How can a penis commit violence on a vagina? Its meant to go in there biologically speaking. A rapists's puny penis is no match for a woman's tough'ol expanding cavity. Yet of course it is still an "assault"--but its a psychological assault. And it is this psychological trauma that some radical sociologists are referring too that SOME males experience when they are sacked from a job. Some feel psychologically impotent, powerless and "invaded." I should add that plenty of males suffer Parts 2, 3 or 4 in assaults, and their bodily Grievious Bodily Harm is just as clinically shocking but they don't garrner the same victim "credits" because they weren't "raped."
FEMINIST...Definition: "Assault is carried out by a threat of bodily harm coupled with an apparent, present ability to cause the harm. It is both a crime and a tort and, therefore, may result in either criminal or civil liability."
..While being fired can cause some psychological harm, it is not an assault. A person is not being "assaulted" by being fired and you disrespect both men and female rape survivors by pretending you can relate because you lost a job. How dare you.
20. MRA..."A Young woman waving her sexy but unavailable body under the nose of a male is a form of abuse too. It's sexual bullying. Harrassment. A quiet form of "passive" aggression.
FEMINIST..."What exactly do you mean by waving her sexy but unavailable body under the nose of a male? Women should be able to go out in public dressed as she like. I think this is entirely reasonable.
MRA:.."So you think sexual bullying, harrassment..and "passive" aggressions are reasonable?? So its okay for females to dump this cock tease "abuse" onto males...but any abuse--physcal OR psychological that males put out...you want the Sate to "revenge" for you...
Feminist Trolling...
1. FEMINIST TROLL..."It is not the fault of women that men see their value as monetary and that they offer to pay women to pretend to be what men want them to be, not what women truly are. Money drives the myths and dysfunctions. Read Men are from Mars and Women are from Venus. It was written by a man and uses terms money men are able to grasp and overcome the myths they believe. If you want to make her feel like a Queen she will treat you like a King! But make sure you don't confuse that with Drama Queen..LOL
2. FEMINIST TROLL..." If women cared about orgasming they would not charge for sex and rape would not be a crime. It is well documented women have all their sex in a mental neurosis due to her body has no physical need for sex. Women have lots of happy sex with no orgasm.
3. FEMINIST TROLL..."My lover would correct you and declare I am no prude. But I pick my lovers with great care, as its vital that he makes me feel horny. That takes dedication, cherishing and lots of personal attention and my libido operates in a mental neurosis. Many men are just selfish ejaculators, seeking only to use women as cum dumpsters for free!
4.FEMINIST TROLL..."She is a reflkection of his attitude. That is human nature. In 1995 a study was published that revealed when men and women witness violence, she learns it 40pc higher than men. She can't unlearn it. The more hateful actioins of men (orwomen) she sees, the faster she learns to become that. Women conform to the Culture on Earth, proving women are molded by the morality of the Culture. So if women are bitches, it is because men are jack asses!
5. FEMINIST TROLL..."If you were superior you wouldn't cry if I shoved a dildo up your anus. Your balls are weak and sensitive, and my vagina takes a pounding happily! I am sorry you can't be pro-equality. I do not see women superior to men, but I do see men are incapable of learning what women are, and that means I can't respect men because I can and did learn what men are. My hope is to find a way to teach men women are not men, that means I am not a feminist. I am Matriarchy! a Woman!.."
6.FEMINIST TROLL..."More trypical slanderous finger pointing MRA cowardly bullshit. So here's the truth: what you interpret as nasty is really me defending myself. Yet is this how you want to exit, using this old tact, then so be it. There's nothing to be won for you, indeed because you didn't come prepared. The fact that you didn't know one single female issue shows that you're not able to fully label yourself in part, a human rights activist. You clearly made a fool of yourself. (EDITOR'S NOTE: This is a classic example of feminist trolling propaganda. The troller uses the Poster (in this case an MRA) as "Product" to slander with outright lies. In this case accusing them on not knowing "one singhle female issue". Yet the MRA actually listed 6 issues! More than once. However web surfers browsing the first few pages only, without knowing the history (i.e 10 or 20 pages earlier), would be none the wiser.
7.FEMINIST TROLL..."AMEN! You hit the nail on the head. Most MRAs are whiny little boys who love to blame women for everything. From not getting that job or that promotion at work to climate change. What must go through their brains when they hear an MRA leader speaking is "Oh, so its not my fault I'm in a crappy job and can't maintain a happy and loving relationship with a woman. Its the FEMINISTS! Those evil cunts! They're the reason for all my problems! It was never me" You know thats how they think.
8.FEMINIST TROLL..."You can Google it. I am sorry you expect others to find the answers for you, but that is called cheating. I said, "I did not write the definition of rape." The penis is a natural born rapist, and you are clearly one of them. I suggest you do some reading because using mental rape against women to prove your myths are true is never going to work! Here is the deal, I nailed your nature, you're the one illiterate to mine, and make no mistake, women are not men with their dick chopped off..."
MRA Rants....
1. MRA..."Clever feminists use semantics etc to shut down expression ("no proof", "no evidence", "no studies", "competeing definitions" ) And they usually load up their questions with assumptions. To game play you've got to arm yourself up like a lawyer. In some instances its necesssary. But be warned the "players" know all the tricks. If you're not an expert, and you engage on their terms, trying to "out-logic" or "out-define" them then you're doomed. They'll lead you out into deep water and drown you! The ONLY thing that can stand up to this, if you're an "amateur" is a Genuine Truth... A Real Personal Experience.... An intelligent heart-felt opinion. Sure the players will bombard it with "tricks" but the genuine strength of your own personal experience leaves their "rules" and "theories" sounding phoney and hollow.
2. MRA..."Civilisatioin is supposed to specialise their information, not "generalise" it. Fascist systems generalise offences so they can arrest and hurt you on any pretext. The females are trying the same thing with "Rape"--generalising it to include 'anything.' These days the legal definiton of "Rape" is not the same one that's in the English Dictionary. The word therefore has been corrupted--to oppress males. This also is what the MRA is fighting.
3. MRA..."Your logic (replying to a feminist) is corrupted as well. Along your lines if I am rude to you then I am also guilty of Attempted Murder. Why? Because being rude is an ASSAULT and of course Attempted Muder is an ASSAULT. Feminists are using this same flawed logic with the actual word "Rape." You sound like a fascist.
4.MRA..."Males need to fully understand "aggressions" employed by females. For example the SILENT TREATMENT is passive aggression. Also a young woman waving her sexy but unavailable body under the nose of a male is aggressive too (SEXUAL BULLYING). Yet you can't ring the Cops and report an Assault. "Silent Treatment" is not listed as domestic abuse. Sexual Bullying (i.e 'cock teasing' is a form of harrassment. It 'extorts" and involuntary 'sex tension' out of a male) is not listed as abuse either. But they're both massive assaults on Males. Regularly.
5. MRA...Sexual bullying by a stunning looking female wearing little in public is like a 'car jacking.' You're walking down the street minding your own business, then POW! your emotions get hijacked by a sexual bully
6.MRA..."If you knew any MRAs you'd know that they are passionately against FALSE RAPES and FALSE RAPE ACCUSERS which includes everything that makes up the "sex-abuse industry" which also has its spin offs into Sexual Harrassment and Sexual Discrimination "jackpots" for false accusers. Profit driven penal institutiions and "abuse bureaucrcies" need more stats, more "criminals"...so they shift the goalposts to "catch" more males.
7.MRA..."So how does your average middle class white male exercise his "disproportionate" amount of power over women? What are these extra Social Utilities which formulate as a consequence--and that he enjoys? So a pack of traitor males (i.e leaders) make up some new rules that oppress me and I'm to notch that up as a win for males??
8.MRA..."My point using your strata is that a black landlord will have the upper hand over his white tenant, whether or not its a dominant "White" society. Now are you trying to imply that the "owners" don't have the upper hand over the "non-owners"? So by correlation I'm saying the "sex-property owners" (i.e females) will have a degree of power over the "non-owners' (i.e males) whether or not the over-riding System is a 'politically' discriminating male "Patriarchy" (using your terms...for the sake of argument)
9.MRA.."In centuries past women opted out of "rights". They camouflaged themselves in the Family Unit (y'know the weaker 'n dependent mothers/sisters and keepers of the Holy Vagina etc). They didn't want a part of the other, parallel "real" world...i.e the men's world of long back breaking work, poisonous work, wars, duels and a life at Sea.
10. MRA...Violence in males is due a lot to a male-specific TORMENT. If you torment soft friendly and peaceable females for long enough then they'll be "violent" too. So what's the torment? The main one is the LMS Syndrome (see Hetero Manifesto). Then there's sex-hunt addiction. And a bit of FPD (Female Perception Disability). But even when you understand it. The torment won't go away. A man's gotta learn to 'addict manage' his life. Just like an alcoholic.
11. MRA.."We are a sexually dimorphous species as are many higher mammals. In many species of animals males have different gender roles than females. Why would humans be any different? If those roles are natural and biologically programmed into other species, then why not humans? How would the human species have survived if the weaker sex was tasked with protecting the tribe? The wolves or the sabre-toothed tiger would have killed the women off. Extinction! End of Story..."
12. MRA.."Oh you need to visit the college campuses in the U.S..they will say things that can turn your head sometimes. While they don't say they don't care if men are raped, the term "rape culture" came from prison rapings, which unfortunately was happening more to men. Modern-day Feminism took this term and made it their own, yet you never hear them tackling aspects of rape culture including that which the term came from, rather only when it happens to women
13. MRA..."The problem is...for a lotta males..after a few weeks we get sick of fucking them. The spell and the mystery are gone. She becomes a "family female" and no man wants to fuck his sister, cousin or Auntie etc. HE wants some FRESH PUSSY. A new exotic island! He is after all a Hunter...So thats the prob.BIG TIME. And the soppy "love" myth ain't the answer coz its as rare as Albinos.
14..MRA.."Yes means yes...ans if you're drunk, sorry but I'm not a mind reader...can't say. "I was drunk!" Too fucking bad for you. IF you're drunk and crash the car...you can't tell the Court. "I was drunk. Its not my fault that I was driving, and crashed the car!! Same story.
15..MRA Really? If vice versa? Because the woman who gave a guy oral sex at an outdoor concert in Ireland not too long ago had HER face blurred, while his was spread everywhere, and she was cast as the victim, even though the situation seemed no different than this, only with the genders flipped. By accepting a public blowjob, he was the villain, therefore the "actor".
In the Ireland case, the girl performed the act, and the guy seemed okay with it. In this case, the guy performed the act, and the girl even pulled his head closer toward her genitals. In both cases, the girls is cast as the victim and the man as the actor.
16. MRA: The most blatant example I've come across was a feminist graduate student supervised by a feminist professor, doing a report on Violence Against Women in Ontario. They cited a StatsCan survey that indicated 601,000 women and 585,000 men in Canada had reported to have been assaulted by their partners in the previous 5 years.
In the report, that data was presented as 1.2 million Canadian women. A layperson MRA checked the StatsCan survey and found the lie. There was zero due diligence within feminism or academia, or the newspaper that used that report as a reference in an article.
It's insane that people don't fact check.
17. MRA: In the 1980s feminist lobbyists in the US pushed for mandatory arrest policies in DV cases. In California, those policies resulted in a 37% increase in arrests of men, and a 446% increase in arrests of women.*
Rather than consider that statistic and the data that already existed on gender symmetry (which feminists of the day were already attempting to suppress through career sabotage, blacklisting, shunning, intimidation, academic fraud and threats) and accept that it had been primarily women who'd been "getting away with it" for decades, they constructed and lobbied for the implementation of predominant aggressor policies that force police to consider relative height, weight, and strength, which party is the more visibly distressed, and accepted models of DV (Duluth) when deciding who to arrest.
Lo and behold, arrest rates by gender went all the way back to normal--at least 85% male.